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Parent of younger competitive cyclist here and also a novice rider and racer… in the us… requiring tt bikes for 15 yr olds to compete at nations is not ideal… from an extra bike, cost of that bike, transporting that bike, maintaining that bike (tt bikes are a pain to work on)… it’s just a shame to put youth participants and their families through that (particularly the money part). Plus I do agree they are more dangerous. All of these issues affect pro cyclist as well. I don’t buy they drive innovation, I don’t buy it would substantially change who does well in tts, and I don’t buy the argument… because guys trained a lot on them… thats no reason to indefinitely continue something that causes logistical, monetary, and safety issues. Just my 2 cents
Totally agree with LR – it rewards training and discipline. If you put the time in, it's safe. Shall we remove descents to reduce crashes too?
If they banned TT bikes wouldn't the top teams bring a dedicated "tt" road bike for their riders with a more extreme position anyway? Think TT saddle, short cranks, and crazy narrow bars.
Btw. Canyon sells one and the same bike for triathlon and TT. It sells well and I am sure it makes them money.
Most triathletes spent hours in their TT positions on their trainers. Handling TT bike is hard but it is not that hard – I think it must have been much harder in 80s and 90s – remember bikes with small front wheels and razor thin tubulars pumped up to insane pressure? One can practise handling separately while paying attention to handling. Most crashes in regular training happen due to people not paying attention or doing something stupid (Bernal, Froome). Why not offload the bulk of TT training to zwift, rouvy etc. and smart trainers – perhaps coupled with rizers in front? You can even create a video and a gpx with inclines of the time trial you prepare for and upload it to the computer coupled with the trainer. What better reconnaissance can you get? I am amazed that proffesional cyclists do not follow professional triathletes in this.
Eliminate all bikes in cycling! Cancel everything!
Woooah. TT bikes are bought by triathletes. The bikes have good profit margins on them as well. And the sport is growing rapidly. TT bikes are good business for the manufactures.
Legalize recumbents instead!
Maybe future TT's need to be limited to going up-hill on climbing road bikes??
Q: rock climbers use belayer glasses so they dont have to lift their heads to look up. Can't something similar be used for a TT?
this is a small $$ development compared to that spent on the whole TT setup.
I read somewhere that Lionel Sanders kept getting hit by car whenever he trains outside with his TT bike. So he ends up training indoor and he is still competitive in Triathlon. So whatever bicycle you are, as soon as you are riding outside, either way it will be dangerous. With TT bike, you need to be super extra cautious.
Dowsett made a good pint that the 10cm extension height rule should be relaxed
I think TT bikes are unnecessary. Simplify the sport and make it so world tour teams can only use one bike for the season. Slight modifications (wheels, chainring, etc) can be allowed.
I like the idea of racing time trials just on the road bike. Make it more like it used to be historically. Watch the documentary 'Stars and watercarriers' about the 1973 Giro. Has an amazing scene with Ole Ritter doing a time trial (on the road bike). To me the time trial bikes don't make that much sense. Being the fastest against the clock on a normal road bike would be a nice discipline as well. I mean, if you use TT bike, why not use a recumbent bike then, is even more aero!
TT bike is kind of an abomination anyway, because it is just the fastest they can make the bike within UCI limits, not the fastest outright. The fastest would be something alien looking like the lotus Graeme Obree design, or a Cervelo PX.
Do what skiing does. There are FIS standard racing skis for Downhill, slalom and many brands make them.
TT bikes are a waste of time and money which could be spent on normal road bikes. Now that's equipment we all can relate to. Never ridden a TT bike and never want to.
The companies still make money on TT bikes. They wouldn't sponsor the teams otherwise, and companies that don't sponsor teams wouldn't make TT bikes if they didn't make money.
Can't say I'm a big fan of the TT bikes, although I do enjoy the time trial stages of grand tours. I think it would be just as entertaining if everyone was on a road bike going full gas in an aero position…sure you'd still get some crashes but probably not so many given the improved stability.
The bikes are already at an elite level, I don't think the sport needs more specialization, and if the manufactures don't want it then what is the point? Life isn't fair sorry for your training efforts. Advance notice will alow the athletes to focus their attention to the most benefits.
Ban TT bikes!
Is this because Chris crashed on his TT bike?
TT bikes are less stable and faster. If people TT (train TT) on road bikes they'll crash less in most (all?) situations, including taking hands off, looking at the ground.
If they only used road bikes then road bikes would see a lot more time in the wind tunnel . Seems that would drive aero innovation more than hand me down aero from TT bikes.
Froome has a point its at least worth discussing and thinking about.
Not if relevant but I'd ban the use of "solid" wheels when doing TT on the road
Also, when can the UCI / Triathlon / Ironman brains trust get their collective sh!t together and have one set of standards for time trialling equipment? That will help manufacturers lower development costs and help consumers buy a bike with confidence that they can use it in any event!
Shout out to Muzz and the Nundadome!!
I think TT bikes are awesome and love watching time trials. The race organisers might need to focus more on safety.
Great discussion topic! Maybe like a 3-5 year warning for the banning of TT bikes could be a mildly fair solution? The idea being to warn riders enough in advance that they still have to work on their TT position if they want to properly compete for GC (and not waste prime of their careers) whilst also giving bike manufacturers, teams, plenty of time to transition (whether they need it or not).
Personally, I quite like the look and excitement of TT bikes. They go so quick, but they look even quicker! And the aerodynamics! Boy, don’t even get me started!
From a GC perspective though, I think TT setups make a great way to cause a selection in the top riders. After all, a general classification rider should be rounded in all aspects of the discipline, and should be merited on aspects outside of raw power alone.
One problem with TT’s atm, is that the expenses and inconvenience behind a TT bike setup massively favour the richer teams. I could imagine how a budget cap and maybe some kind of wind tunnel testing limits might improve the current situation, but to what degree (and how would you enforce it)? I could definitely see how a TT bike ban here would be a great solution to this issue.
In spite of logic and sense I will say this: this is a top level, professional sport, and so it should feature both performances and equipment as such. To continue Stefan Kung’s formula 1 analogy, if they can build F1 cars without needing to sell them to the public, then why not bicycles? Obviously the two sports and their revenue streams are different kettles of fish, but is it possible sponsors are just being lazy? Maybe cycling simply doesn’t bring in enough from advertisement? I’m ill informed to be perfectly honest, and but I look forward to critiques!
Either way, we should be finding ways to make cycling more exciting, more accessible, and more competitive, so perhaps some tweaks to time trials might just be a good thing!
“Gentlemen, a short view back to the past…”
LR please confirm you broke your finger on a TT bike?
The Merckx or Eddy category is becoming more and more popular in TTs. There are a lot of good riders that won't spend $10K on a bike that they'll only ride at three events per year. The Merckx category attracts people to test themselves against the clock because they are not competing against riders on TT bikes.
The problem with safety in a TT bike is not originated by the bike, it's the position which makes it dangerous and this is the result of optimizing aero gains and fitting the UCI rules. Triathlon uses non UCI approved bikes for longer distances and seem to have less of this kind of issues. The question for me is why the UCI allows 10k TTs at 55kmh in the middle of a city? what does this adds to a any stage race?
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LR: Do you think Time Trials bikes are a waste of . . . TIME? A twisted critical PUN!
Froome gave a list of reasons, save for the main one…. His only worth to ISUN these days is clickbait.
LR, your argument is weak about punishing strong TTers. Look at F1, they make wholesale changes for safety which work, and don't detract from the spectacle. The only reason TT bikes will stay in pro road racing is that our industry is run by headless money making industry to sell more product.
Laterne are u trying to tell me Trek dont make money from their 5000$ tt frame? Come on now
You forget the whole purpose of professional cycling is to sell bikes and equipment. If pros stop using TT bikes, sales of TT bikes, helmets, skinsuits go down. They are basically glorified salesmen for bike companies.
TT is a waste of time!